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Battle of Pelister (1340)

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Battle is entirely unmentioned in the sources cited. No results for "Battle of Pelister" in google scholar. Golikom (talk) 05:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Albania, and Serbia. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral / weak delete - The source does mention the battle, it's on the first line of page 291. However, other than that, I could not find anything that mentions the battle online in English, Serbian, or Albanian. Ueutyi (talk) 06:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and North Macedonia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Battle is included in the page List of Wars Involving Albania so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albanian atdhetar (talk • contribs)
- That's List of wars involving Albania, and that it's on that list doesn't mean anything. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Air Serbia destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, WP:NLIST.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO. In reality this list is mostly services the airline doesn't present fly, does not fly year-round, or charter flights. It is therefore not a list of flights that Air Serbia actually offered in August 2023.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is sourced entirely to old airline-issued timetables, the company website, press releases, enthusiast blogs like aeroroutes.net and www.exyuaviation.com/, or to run-of-the-mill articles in trade-press. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present.

WP:NLIST is failed because none of these sources are independent, third-party, reliable sources giving significant coverage to the topic of the services this airline offers as a group. FOARP (talk) 11:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Products, Travel and tourism, Aviation, Lists, and Serbia. FOARP (talk) 11:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all of these WP:NOT arguments are wrong and are inconsistent with the most recent RfC. First, third party reliable sources frequently cover Air Serbia destinations, even in Croatian [1]. This even quotes Vučić about a specific route. Sourcing is not an issue here. The catalogue argument fails because destinations are not "services" in the sense of another business - where an airline flies is clearly essential to understanding the airline, unlike an old style catalogue which is trying to sell you products. WP:IINFO doesn't apply because there's nothing indiscriminate about this at all. This is a valid list and while the sourcing could be improved, there's absolutely no reason to delete this. SportingFlyer T·C 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

”per the recent RFC” - care to give us a link here? I’m not aware of a new RFC having closed in this field lately. Having checked on VPP, the Aviation project page, and the WP:NOT talk page I also don’t see one. Regarding the sources you raise, the Jurnarji List source is based entirely on Croation Aviation Portal, apparently a blog, the link to which is 404 but an archived version shows the information apparently to come entirely from the airline since no source is cited. Quotes from government officials hardly matter for notability of what is the state airline.

I also note that this is essentially the same argument that you've made multiple times in a long string of AFDs (15 out of the last 15), all of which closed delete/redirect/merge. FOARP (talk) 04:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/merge This is not a resource for doing business so NOTCATALOGUE doesn't apply. It is well defined and of limited scope so it is not indiscriminate. Sources do cover the topic, and even if alternative formats for presentation may be better, it does not need to be deleted outright. Reywas92^Talk 23:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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